Comments on: Who Will Win The Cloud Computing Battle in India? http://www.janakiramm.net/blog/who-will-win-the-cloud-computing-battle-in-india Cloud Computing Strategist Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Sujoy http://www.janakiramm.net/blog/who-will-win-the-cloud-computing-battle-in-india/comment-page-1#comment-2699 Sujoy Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:17:00 +0000 http://www.janakiramm.net/?p=1529#comment-2699 Good article, though personally I don't see Cloud Computing as another technology offering. Today most large end user companies are giving up on buying & managing complex technology and switching over to service providers - turning on pay-per-use model. If a business demands a complex array of technology to manage a process, I dont see why I would only use SalesForce or Microsoft. Why not MS, SF and Facebook, twitter with Wordpress? Gone are the age for traditional software development models, look at companies like ZOHO, WOLF and Quickbase which allows users with very little technical knowledge to create comprehensive applications. The capability of these offerings are slowly going to chew a little of Microsoft and all the other tech guys who claim that the cloud is going to demand another set of new technical capabilities as they continue to automate the most mundane stuff. The example of SMB's dont make much sense, we all know that the purchasing power lies in that segment, yet none of the big firms which you mentioned have any offering for this growing segment other than infrastructure management. The MS BPOS at $ 10/- per user is a big failure till date and others like SF and IBM is going to become irrelevant if they cannot engage the new customer as other online social tools are doing today. Good article, though personally I don’t see Cloud Computing as another technology offering. Today most large end user companies are giving up on buying & managing complex technology and switching over to service providers – turning on pay-per-use model. If a business demands a complex array of technology to manage a process, I dont see why I would only use SalesForce or Microsoft. Why not MS, SF and Facebook, twitter with WordPress?

Gone are the age for traditional software development models, look at companies like ZOHO, WOLF and Quickbase which allows users with very little technical knowledge to create comprehensive applications. The capability of these offerings are slowly going to chew a little of Microsoft and all the other tech guys who claim that the cloud is going to demand another set of new technical capabilities as they continue to automate the most mundane stuff.

The example of SMB’s dont make much sense, we all know that the purchasing power lies in that segment, yet none of the big firms which you mentioned have any offering for this growing segment other than infrastructure management. The MS BPOS at $ 10/- per user is a big failure till date and others like SF and IBM is going to become irrelevant if they cannot engage the new customer as other online social tools are doing today.

]]> By: Jani http://www.janakiramm.net/blog/who-will-win-the-cloud-computing-battle-in-india/comment-page-1#comment-2687 Jani Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:15:49 +0000 http://www.janakiramm.net/?p=1529#comment-2687 Good observation Ashish! I understand the potential of few PaaS companies based out of India including OrangeScape. I am planning to write an addendum and I will include OrangeScape in it. Good observation Ashish! I understand the potential of few PaaS companies based out of India including OrangeScape. I am planning to write an addendum and I will include OrangeScape in it.

]]> By: Jani http://www.janakiramm.net/blog/who-will-win-the-cloud-computing-battle-in-india/comment-page-1#comment-2686 Jani Sat, 14 Aug 2010 23:13:24 +0000 http://www.janakiramm.net/?p=1529#comment-2686 Cloud Computing doesn't mean just IaaS. If you are using Google Docs or <a href="http://Salesforce.com" rel="nofollow">Salesforce.com</a>, it is Cloud Computing. Even in India, Airtel and Nivio offer Desktop as a Service. Check out <a href="http://airtel.nivio.com/" rel="nofollow">http://airtel.nivio.com/</a>. Cloud Computing doesn't mean just IaaS. If you are using Google Docs or Salesforce.com, it is Cloud Computing. Even in India, Airtel and Nivio offer Desktop as a Service. Check out http://airtel.nivio.com/.

]]> By: Vinay http://www.janakiramm.net/blog/who-will-win-the-cloud-computing-battle-in-india/comment-page-1#comment-2684 Vinay Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:13:22 +0000 http://www.janakiramm.net/?p=1529#comment-2684 Excellent article and compilation of information. <br>As an outsider to this industry (but keenly interested nonetheless) I'm curious as to why this has not caught on in the consumer space? Why dont BSNL, MTNL, Indicom and the like provide inexpensive thin clients tied to cloud services for a monthly subscription? Only 7mill people are connected to anything worth calling broadband in India. Surely something must drive up these numbers? I'm thinking cheap devices that are very easy to use and require near-zero maintenance by themselves. <br>As an example look at this US start-up <a href="http://www.litl.com/workshop/whats-next.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.litl.com/workshop/whats-next.htm</a> which is bringing a internet/ desktop interface and features to the TV screen. There seems to be so much potential in consumer services (which I am involved in), some of them critical, that I'm left wondering why consumer side push for this technology has been so feeble. Excellent article and compilation of information.
As an outsider to this industry (but keenly interested nonetheless) I'm curious as to why this has not caught on in the consumer space? Why dont BSNL, MTNL, Indicom and the like provide inexpensive thin clients tied to cloud services for a monthly subscription? Only 7mill people are connected to anything worth calling broadband in India. Surely something must drive up these numbers? I'm thinking cheap devices that are very easy to use and require near-zero maintenance by themselves.
As an example look at this US start-up http://www.litl.com/workshop/whats-next.htm which is bringing a internet/ desktop interface and features to the TV screen. There seems to be so much potential in consumer services (which I am involved in), some of them critical, that I'm left wondering why consumer side push for this technology has been so feeble.

]]> By: Ashish Bhagwat http://www.janakiramm.net/blog/who-will-win-the-cloud-computing-battle-in-india/comment-page-1#comment-2685 Ashish Bhagwat Wed, 04 Aug 2010 10:54:15 +0000 http://www.janakiramm.net/?p=1529#comment-2685 Jani, Great article with some accurate observations on the space. I have to admit, I got drawn to this post due to the emphasis on the Indian market, otherwise enough has been circulating on the web on the cloud players and who's who etc.<br><br>I need to understand why you have focused only on the so called "biggies" while I'm sure you understand the Indian market and mindset too. You have covered even Oracle that doesn't have "any" offering in the space. Most of these players, except Amazon, and to an extent Google, are here with a bigger platform story that goes beyond Cloud and business apps. So, their grip on the market cannot be attributed to the cloud offerings.<br><br>Secondly, most of them offer, as of day only what we could call the kernel or OS for cloud platform - and are missing the key Business Apps platform ingredients. Indian businesses are not in position to experiment with that level and build grounds up applications on those platforms just in order to get to cloud. They need to have a PaaS offering which enables them a Time-to-Market, otherwise they think they're doing fine without the cloud :)<br><br>This is not an advertising and I keep my blogs and tweets independent of my professional interests, and I need to mention that there's a player from India in PaaS market that features in Forrester Wave for PaaS and also on Gartner Top 20 Cloud specialists. Not sure if you heard of OrangeScape as yet, it's going to be a strong force in the market as it enables businesses to get their business apps on top of the cloud infrastructures provided by Google, Amazon, and Microsoft - and even allows for a smooth transition by allowing the Enterprise deployment on J2EE/.NET stack before the business is cloud-ready. Check it out. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_EJ6MiOrz4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_EJ6MiOrz4</a><br><br>- Ashish<br><a href="http://ashishbhagwat.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://ashishbhagwat.wordpress.com</a> Jani, Great article with some accurate observations on the space. I have to admit, I got drawn to this post due to the emphasis on the Indian market, otherwise enough has been circulating on the web on the cloud players and who's who etc.

I need to understand why you have focused only on the so called “biggies” while I'm sure you understand the Indian market and mindset too. You have covered even Oracle that doesn't have “any” offering in the space. Most of these players, except Amazon, and to an extent Google, are here with a bigger platform story that goes beyond Cloud and business apps. So, their grip on the market cannot be attributed to the cloud offerings.

Secondly, most of them offer, as of day only what we could call the kernel or OS for cloud platform – and are missing the key Business Apps platform ingredients. Indian businesses are not in position to experiment with that level and build grounds up applications on those platforms just in order to get to cloud. They need to have a PaaS offering which enables them a Time-to-Market, otherwise they think they're doing fine without the cloud :)

This is not an advertising and I keep my blogs and tweets independent of my professional interests, and I need to mention that there's a player from India in PaaS market that features in Forrester Wave for PaaS and also on Gartner Top 20 Cloud specialists. Not sure if you heard of OrangeScape as yet, it's going to be a strong force in the market as it enables businesses to get their business apps on top of the cloud infrastructures provided by Google, Amazon, and Microsoft – and even allows for a smooth transition by allowing the Enterprise deployment on J2EE/.NET stack before the business is cloud-ready. Check it out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_EJ6MiOrz4

- Ashish
http://ashishbhagwat.wordpress.com

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